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NIKV69
Look, we are in a world where if you don't want to be screened before you board fine. Eventually a plane will come down. Either in a populated area or not. On the other hand if you want the best shot at making sure everyone that gets on planes doesn't have a weapon it's the TSA. They are far from perfect but they are the only thing between us and terrorism.
Where did I say any of the above? Did I say that Nick? Really? Why do you want to spin this into what is not? You love to just add fuel and light it don't you? LOL Seriously man, no one is going that far. Let's get back to the subject at hand. ID and Photos... THAT'S IT!!! Where did bringing down planes come into the picture here? Where did busting balls come in to terrorism? In some states, you are not required by law to wear a helmet when riding a motorcycle. I think it is stupid and dumb, yet I can't do a damn thing about it when I see someone riding down the interstate without a helmet.
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You can slag then all you want, say you don't want to be patted down, don't want to be bombarded with radiation, say you don't want to profile etc, but at the end of the day none of you that do will want to deal with situation when people die.
Again, why are you going WAY OUTSIDE the discussion envelope here? For your own gain so you have a platform to dish out your personal and political views? Your views are ok with me and I respect them, but stick to the subject and the point!
What weapon did he have? What intent? He was clear he was NOT going to prevent them from doing their job. He never said do not frisk me, pat me, radiate me, etc. Not that I heard...
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You seriously want me to believe you would sacrifice people's lives for liberty? Not to get patted down? Or go through the extra screening after you decided you don't want to bring ID? Then give us this 'papers please' propaganda?
Again, where did I say this? How is this comment relevant? I don't believe anyone said anything about preventing TSA from doing their job or being processed etc. NOTHING to that effect. Show me where I or anyone did? Papers Please simply is one avenue for folks of that nature to speak out. There are other ways like standing in my way at the Subway Entrance and handing me a piece of paper... no different. Their right too... just like you have the right to let off some smoke in here... different?
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I have nothing to say to Phil Mocek. To be honest I think it's pretty clear he orchestrated his encounter with the TSA and local law enforcement and much like Sen Paul are getting in the way of people trying to do an impossible job to try to keep people as safe as possible.
Again, I do NOT think this had anything to do with Security! At no point did I notice a security breach attempt, did you? If the law and the regulations say a boarding pass is an ID, so be it. Change the law then, Nick.
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Is is that hard to bring ID with you? Or in Sen Paul's case get a pat down? I am sick of this wannabe libertarian garbage because I am more libertarian than anyone. I want all drugs legal, I want prostitution legal and well as polygamy too. I am not stupid enough to think we can survive without any taxes or being patted down or made to show ID at the airport. Unless someone has a better idea of screening pax without having fares go through the roof I want to hear it. Right now the TSA has done a decent job of keeping people from dying so until that time it's the law of the land.
Then get the law changed. I know photojournalists that have seen and photographed someone get shot in the head and killed. They had the opportunity to stand in front of the bullet, talk to the killer, whatever. Instead they just took pictures and did their job of recording. Morally, Ethically, Legally, whatever: Right? Wrong? Legal? Illegal? Not too easy to say ... Legally speaking, should the reporter be arrested? For what?
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Bring your ID and leave your attitude home. You're not the only one at the airport. I am sick of hearing the TSA sucks. They have bad apples like everyone.
I do, he did not. Rules apparently say he does not have to. And btw, the whole thing started because of the insensitive TSA that does not want to have his pic taken and is apparently unaware of the law, rules, etc. The one person in the video that seems to be the most professional is the Police Officer!
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As stated I have nothing to say to Mr. Mocek because he is an imposter. You want real libertarianism? Then elect Ron Paul. Have him disband the IRS, EPA, TSA and everything else he says he wants to. Then bring our whole military home. Just make sure you are all there when it all goes to hell. Which would happen in a matter of months.
Though a better way to handle it is to suck it up, leave your attitude home and bring proper ID with you. Comply with the TSA's wishes. Everyone gets on the plane and everyone arrives safely.
Just a thought.
Nick, you are an extremist! Don;t forget I love you... :cool: but you sometimes make mountains out of molehills, You are VERY MUCH LIKE Mr. Mocek in that you want to be heard, you want to flaunt your right to an opinion... regardless of what other's opinions might be!